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June 06, 2013 - Sep. 01, 2013

Aela the Huntress

Hey Vely! Here is, as promised on IRC, a list of questions I wrote down when I went through the Companions quest line as part of Aela's new deluxe page. I hope you can find the time and look for some answers in the CK:

• (1) When will Aela return from Gallows Rock? And will she travel or teleport?
• (2) When will Aela return from Ysgramor’s Tomb? Travel or teleport?
• (3) Will she keep praying in front of the Totems after Totems of Hircine – if so, when? And will any of her ‘old’ packages still kick in?
• (4) How do the three radiant quests after The Silver Hand work? I assume they will be forever gone, once you have completed the quest line, but how do you trigger, say, Striking the Heart on every play through?
• (5) During the quest Totems of Hircine, Aela was supposed to have two different reactions when you find the second and third Totem, specifically That's it! That's the second Totem. Quickly, let's put it back with the other one. and At last... the final Totem is ours. Let's go complete our set. Instead, she always uses the line That definitely matches the description of the totem from Skjor's old book. Let's get it to the Underforge. Bug?
• (6) During Totems of Hircine, I found another line of dialogue I couldn’t place, namely I don't know what we do with it now. Maybe you can figure it out. Where is that supposed to be?
• (7) I'm also curious about that WE with her. The WE page says she can be met with Skjor and some other member, in a specific hold only, before Take Up Arms and after Glory of the Dead. But Skjor is dead after Glory of the Dead.

Thanks in advance! Best, Krusty (talk) 05:18, 6 June 2013 (GMT)

• • During C03PostQuest, stage 20, she returns after mourning for a full minute. I believe she walks.
  • C06PostQuest all the companions return at the same time. Walking again, I think.
  • She will pray for two more hours before stopping; I assume she'll be normal after that.
  • C06PostQuest stage 200 says kmyQuest.trackingScript.ReOpenAllRadiantQuests(), which looks like it should open them up again. I'll figure the rest out later though, there's a lot of scripts to dig through to find out how they all work.
  • The conditions for each of the responses are the same, so she must default to the first one. Oversight, probably; usually there's conditions on this thing.
  • Stage 20 and in the Underforge.
  • Before Take Up Arms or after Glory of the Dead. Skjor is optional, so the quest will progress without him once he's dead.

Vely^►t►e 19:08, 6 June 2013 (GMT)

Thanks! I have a few more questions, though - the notes section mentions tha Aela will level up during The Silver Hand. That needs to be bumped up into the quest section (and perhaps to the summary as well) - but what exactly happens to her level? Also, I can't find her in the wilderness (WE encounter). Will she have any unique dialogue there? Thanks in advance! --Krusty (talk) 22:22, 9 June 2013 (GMT)

There are no scripted conversations for WERJ11, so they should just say generic stuff. Aela does not have any special levelup script, so I'm not sure anything will happen. Vely^►t►e 19:16, 12 June 2013 (GMT)

will you be my mentor?

--18:37, 12 June 2013 (GMT)Jwcway (talk)Hello,my username is @jwcway (note:@ is not included);would you please be my edit mentor?I'm new at editing & I would like some help.I'm a knowlegable player for skyrim and a little less knowlegeable @ oblivion,but i've played both pretty much since they came out on xbox 360. I know some about lore. In my houses, in-game, (oblivoin & skyrim),i have managed to obtain at least 90% of all in game books. (quest-books like dreamstride,unforunately, i have not read.)Note:in skyrim to get some books i had to break-in to high-security facilitys :^)

got caut a couple times :^(

thank god i saved b4 breaking in and stealing :^)

I would love ,not love, LIKE 2B your APPRENTICE!! PLEASE Consider. thank you for your time... jwcwayJwcway (talk) 18:37, 12 June 2013 (GMT)

Sure! First, you can check your talk page for a few basic tips included in a welcome message. After reading that, if you've got something specific you'd like to learn about the wiki, just ask and I'll help you :) Vely^►t►e 18:52, 12 June 2013 (GMT)

please HELLP MEEEEEE!!!i need help

I did what u told me 2 do,about the userblocks(or icons;wat evr ther calld.)i put in about i woud say 20-24 that i had acheived or wanted that i had the right to put up,like factions,personal,and some from general(but definitely not,admin,patrol,blocker.)so i pressed preview,all showed up that i put. thats that,right, i mean right!

So when i finished the preview,i hit save,so it loads and says some thing about my first edit andthat they did not want spam and me posting ads;(which i was not doing spam or posting any ads),then it told me to talk to admin,the screen also gave me some kind of code that looked like this.

“Over Use of built spam”

“if you did...”

(i dont remembrr the rest,sorry)

Any way if you can help me ,please do.

i saw your a patroller,and a blocker,plus your my mentor,so i turned to you ,im sorry about all of this.Jwcway (talk) 23:04, 12 June 2013 (GMT)

That was a spam filter catching you. Lots of spammers remove or add lots of content from pages, and it registered you as removing a lot of content. After a short while of editing and being on the wiki, you will no longer receive that message for making large changes. If you would like, I can make the edit to your userpage for you; I can see the changes you were trying to make. Vely^►t►e 23:10, 12 June 2013 (GMT)

I have moved the templates to your userpage, but if you would like the rest of the content deleted, you may remove it in two edits or ask me to remove it in one. Additionally, note that we use the pipe symbol ( | ) instead of colons ( : ) to separate parameters in templates (userboxes are templates). Vely^►t►e 00:24, 13 June 2013 (GMT)

thank u,mé mentór,Also 1 question!

thanks for appplyin my userboxes(now i know wat there called),also i frequently use a mobile device to get on here and other fun sites, as i am frequently on the go,with my sister being a child (or teen) actress(wichever suits u!) s0 i use that hotspot i mention in a previous edit.so with this mobile device,i dont really know where the pipe symbol is,sorry — Unsigned comment by Jwcway (talk • contribs) at 18:26 on 13 June 2013‎

You may copy-paste the pipe symbol from elsewhere on the wiki. You may be able to find the pipe under "symbols" on your phone. Vely^►t►e 19:05, 13 June 2013 (GMT)

There's a signature button above the editing space. —Legoless (talk) 19:58, 13 June 2013 (GMT)

Mentor!Mentor!

--Jwcway (talk) 21:11, 13 June 2013 (GMT)Oh the merriment Poor Jwcway,the Fool of Murders in the Brotherhood of Darkness ,is merry?!Yes very much so,me,mentor, me make you proud,ohhh,please say yes.!Mentor Me ,jwcway,the fool of murders and uhhhh... ...uh... ohhh rightttt,i have made my first edit!mentor are you proud,please say yes(btw tryn to act llike Cicero).its in lore→factions→o→order of the virtuas blood(under the fully blank line)Jwcway (talk) 21:11, 13 June 2013 (GMT)

i cant find the pipe symbool

by the way i am notv using a phone, i am using a nintendo dsi browser game console,i play elder scrolls onmy xbox on the tv on the tv in the car my mom does not like planes.its a tv like in vans or suvs. such a small screen,,i absolutly hate it when it comes to those menus,but we are 3 days away from home cant wait!!! — Unsigned comment by Jwcway (talk • contribs) at 21:23 on 13 June 2013‎

Please do not make multiple talk page sections; just one is alright for this discussion we're having. Please also do not try mimicking Cicero; involvement on the wiki should be serious and not a spot to play about, and especially not a spot for roleplay. In addition, all this talk about moving about and stuff that would be considered conversational and unrelated to the Elder Scrolls doesn't really belong on the wiki but on a more social site instead, like chatrooms, Facebook, or a blog. As for not finding the pipe symbol, that's okay; when you need it you can copy-paste it from elsewhere.

As for your edit to the Lore:Factions O page, that is game-specific information which is already on the game-specific article; we don't include gameplay info in our lore pages. Vely^►t►e 21:56, 13 June 2013 (GMT)

Boethiah and Peryite pages

When you said these pages are unnecessary, I created them because I didn't want the red links for them making the Skyrim voice actor page looking down. For me it made the page more better looking creating those pages. Dragon Guard (talk) 18:52, 15 June 2013 (GMT)

You could instead link to the shrine or quest pages or to the voice NPCs, or go without a link. If you have nothing to put on the page, please do not create the page to remove a redlink; leave the page to someone else to create or change the link. Vely^►t►e 19:39, 15 June 2013 (GMT)

I will link their names to their Lore pages then. Dragon Guard (talk) 21:18, 15 June 2013 (GMT)

vely,im sorry

i am sorry about talking like cicero.i know your soposed to be serious on this page.i am veryy soorry,also will not let it happen again.i was only trying to how do you say,well lets be honest, have alittle fun but be serious about it too.i gueesss i went over too far from fun and not balancing it out. i hope i can still be a member,i dont want my account on suspend list.im truly an elder scrolls fanatic,i love this wiki and love being a part of it.could u plz cut me a break,wont happen again ever.Also could you tell me whitch chatroom you use that does nnot use flash.(flash-player)and i would like you to help me get on it.i just dont know where to go and what to do,how-to join and that sort of stuff.i amm so sorry,no forgiveness neded,BUT if youd like 2 forgive mee i would love it,i apologize with sincerity. --Jwcway (talk) 23:18, 18 June 2013 (GMT)

It's okay, don't worry about it. And don't worry about getting banned, either--we know you're not trying to hurt the wiki, and if you were to be banned, you'd get one of these red messages first.

Our own chatroom is a place for chatting casually, but not randomly, if you would like to join, but it's not always chatty; I don't believe it uses flash. There are some other TES chatrooms listed here--you can access them through your browser by using ChatZilla (Firefox) or Mibbit, or you can use a non-browser client; there's a short list of those here. I don't think any of them do roleplay though. Vely^►t►e 23:35, 18 June 2013 (GMT)

hi,vely,can you dig some files up for me,i need some info

hi,vely,its me,jwcway,iwas wandering some things about the TES games,could u look some things up for me?

i want 2 know,

in skyrim,if you have not downloaded any dlc,whats the latest update for the game on xbox 360, and what exactly does it add or fix,along with previous updates for xbox 360?

In oblivion,what updates have been released for the xbox360 , what do they fix or add,and the ones that are before instaling any dlc(only the ones before installing dlc,i also want them to be current(even if say,you have only had the game a short time,like a year,but if they released updates that were with dlc,only by themselves without downloadeing the dlc? --Jwcway (talk) 20:01, 19 June 2013 (GMT)

Just a note, please place your signature at the end of your comment, not the beginning.

You may find the Skyrim changes here and the Oblivion changes here. Most, if not all, patches apply updates to your games regardless of the DLC you own; the patch notes will usually mark information that is DLC-specific. Vely^►t►e 21:30, 19 June 2013 (GMT)

thanks,vely,i have a question or 2

hey vely,first of all canyou put me on the members list for The SkyrimQuestsRemodelingProject,the one u r working on.id love 2b a part of it,but i can not,for some reason,figure out how to put my self on their members list,i would like to do revising quests ithink thats wat ur doiin.id like to check peoples work and revise it,if thats not possible thhen i'll do wat ur doin on it,but id prefer to chweck and revise.i also wanted to know why u changed your name on #UESPwiki IRC,i thought it was vely,but it said it was velyaway,made me kinda confuzed.someone named tolmon said youd be back,i kinda got a little feeling that tolmon was u,vely.aparantly he wasnt or was he,anyway id just like to know if your stilll vely and if youll b on in a minute or so... thanksJwcway (talk) 22:11, 19 June 2013 (GMT)

Go here, click "edit" in the top right of that section, and add your name to the list. However, it may be best for you to start some work on the project before adding your name to it so that you get the feel for it and understand what to do for it; you still have very little wiki experience and looking around at the pages may help you.

The work I do on that project is checking game data, something you can't do, but you are free to walk through a place whose article has not been marked as written yet and note the items that you find there.

I changed my name to velyaway because I was afk (away from keyboard). That tells people that I may read their messages later, but am not there at the moment and cannot help them right away. Talmon is another user and not me. The majority of IRC users should be recognizable by their names even if they change them to indicate that they're busy or afk (such as velyaway, velyfood, velybaking, velyschool...). It's frowned upon to pretend to be multiple people on the wiki and on IRC. As for when I'm on, I'm on almost all day during the summer, so just check the chatroom whenever--chances are I'll be there. You are also free to email me or ask things on my talk page, as I'm sure you already know. Vely^►t►e 22:38, 19 June 2013 (GMT)

i have a few questions about the version of Shadowmere,in oblivion?

vely,ive got a couple of questions that nede verification.

Shadowmere,Oblivion Version,

1.theres a somewat minor glitch in oblivion weere if you knock a person out thats essintial,you can loot theere body without alerting guards,is this true?

2.is Shadowmere consisdered essintial, because he does not ever die?

3.If hes essintail,then you could possibly use that glicth to say loot his body,Shadowmere's body,and not really loot it ,but use him say as an endleess supply of stoarge.You could attack him yourself and give him things from your inventory,kinda like reverse-pickpocketing or like usinng a stoarge container thats in the game.is this possible,cause the glitch might make it possible.

4.if you attack your own horse,do u aquire a bounty and of how much,if u can could u look into info about crimes against your own horse,and look to see if thaats possible,and bounty costs for attackingvyour own horse.

5.arre there any bugs in the gamme u can get wile trrying to do thiis.

6.if theres a bounty foor this would it get you booted out of any guilds,and if it does how to get back in those guilds.

7.would it be possible if i placed stolen goods or any other things in my inventory,on shadowmere,and then got arrested while riding shadowmere,if i serve out the sentence would they still be on shadowmere.

8.if shadowmere goes unconcious while hes holding my stuff will it be lost.

9.if u find any of this info 4 me that would b great

10.once u find any info or ratherall of it ,will u send it to me on my talk page,thanx

Note:if any member veiws this and finds info, please send it to my talk page.thanx JWCWAY Jwcway (talk) 00:23, 21 June 2013 (GMT)

1. I don't know.
2. Here.
3. Yes.
4. No.
5. Bugs are everywhere, idk specific ones.
6. No, because horses don't belong to guilds. Check individual guild pages for how to rejoin.
7. Depends on his respawn time.
8. No.

Most of this information is already on the horse and Shadowmere pages. I would appreciate if, in the future, you read the corresponding wiki pages before asking me. Vely^►t►e 00:47, 21 June 2013 (GMT)

Commander Caius Bug?

Hey Vely! Here’s a talk page post, as promised, about Commander Caius – and his disappearance from the game. Now, you figured out that he was disabled at the end of Dampened Spirits (TG03), but is that really true? Sabjorn will be in the Dragonsreach Dungeon after the quest, but Caius seems to disappear into thin air, which sounds very buggy to me. My problem is, I don’t have the right save, so I can’t just test it – but it would be great to be able to add the info to his page (and to the quest page as well). Thanks in advance! --Krusty (talk) 22:05, 23 June 2013 (GMT)

At the end of TG03 and when TG04's stage is set to 10, Sabjorn is moved to jail and re-enabled. Caius/Sinmir is not re-enabled in that quest. I'll check again in the CK later--think he's used in two more quests. Vely^►t►e 22:15, 23 June 2013 (GMT)

Oh, and while you are at it – I just took a look at his behavior in-game. And he definitely sleeps a lot. Seems like his Bannered Mare package has some oddities as well, as Caius will sleep in the Guard Barracks from 2pm in the afternoon, until 8am the next morning. Another bug? --Krusty (talk) 22:22, 23 June 2013 (GMT)

When I was doing my first big edits of the guard barracks pages I found Caius in the main Guard Barracks (the one behind the Bannered Mare. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 22:30, 23 June 2013 (GMT)

Good one, Silencer. That one is worth looking for as well. I have never seen him in the other Barracks, but with his schedule screwed up like that, everything is possible. --Krusty (talk) 22:36, 23 June 2013 (GMT)

thanx,shadowmere is gonna b A GOOD Pack-Mule!

thanks vely i had thought i checked through all the pages of info 4 oblivion,i didnt know shadow mere had his own page,and that thers a horse page,can you give me the link to shadowmeres page.it would really help... ...Oops,sorry, just saw link in your reply for that question,8v× ♪ Jwcway (talk) 19:50, 25 June 2013 (GMT)

vely,about the answer to question 2or3,eithier oone of those,you gave me a link to the esseintial NPC's in obllivion,it did not list shadoowmere aas essintail,but when i wennt to tthe Shadowmere page,it said he was an essintail creature,so he is technically essincial.becouse he nevere dies,ill test it out later ttoday,becauuse it saiid on shadowmeres page,if youu have all of the patches/updates 4 oblivion no bugs should occur and i have all of oblivions updates 4 my xbox..anyway i ve got two copies of oblivion 4my xbox if it does crash the game,and have it downloaded on pc.Jwcway (talk) 20:32, 25 June 2013 (GMT)

He is essential but is not marked as an NPC due to being a creature. That page explains what it means to be essential. Vely^►t►e 21:45, 25 June 2013 (GMT)

NOTE;Vely,it worked on my oblivion game,i stole some stuff wile at The Imperil Stables,then went out side ,traveled to perytes shrine(i thought would b best place,just in case its a crime,bein careful)Attacked shadowmere,he became unconcious,pickpoceted him ,stored the stolen goods on him,while i was thre i was able2get free training,i havent completed his quest.i attacked every npc with a silver longsword15-25slashes each while in sneak mde(never detected by shadowmere)then grabbed my elven bow and all my arrows,fire10at ech npc.tlk2grd!jail!out,stlnStfThr

Yes, that is how the game should work. Vely^►t►e 21:23, 27 June 2013 (GMT)

Find the Thalmor Assassin in the CK!

Hey Vely! Just a little something for your next visit to the CK – it is about J'datharr. I’m writing his article but noticed some weird stuff here. First, his packages. What’s that about? Will he turn up in Riften if some odd conditions are met? Second, the item “HelgenCandleLight01NS” – that must be the item referred to here under notes and bugs, but… what is it? Thanks in advance! --Krusty (talk) 00:15, 28 June 2013 (GMT)

His Packages are the same as Shavari's. However, he's created exclusively as the "Assassin"-Alias of the "MQ201Malborn"-Quest (Find the Thalmor Assassin), with the Alias Package MQ201MalbornAssassinSandboxOutsideWindhelm taking precedence over his default behaviour. This leads me to the assumption that he would travel to riften if the quest gets completed any other way than slaying him (possibly killing malborn?).

“HelgenCandleLight01NS” is this, a light source used in helgen keep that somehow found its way into J'datharr's inventory. IT's not marked as "This light can be carried" so I don't know why it appears to some people, but occupying the shield slot makes sense since torches do the same. -- SarthesArai ^Talk 22:10, 6 July 2013 (GMT)

vely,1 question about patches

vely,its jwcway,i wonderd if on xbox360 if you get an update downloaded will it give you all updates and patches,im a little confused?!! :^PJwcway (talk) 01:46, 6 July 2013 (GMT)

If you connect to Xbox Live and accept to download any updates it presents to you while the Skyrim game is loaded, all of the patches and any other updates will be applied. — ABCface^◥ 02:14, 6 July 2013 (GMT)

Question About Nonsense Notice

Since notices are for edits in good faith, and warnings are for edits that were intended to be malicious, then how could someone put nonsense on a page in good faith? Dragon Guard (talk) 08:32, 27 July 2013 (GMT)

Intent isn't always known. If someone puts something like "Ulfric Stormcloak is aaaaaaaaaaaathe leader of the rebellion", that could get either an experimentation or a nonsense notice, and would probably get a nonsense notice if added on multiple pages. Or maybe they're trying to type words but it doesn't make sense. That's just one example though. Every edit is subjective, and sometimes a warning could be given but isn't, or a warning is given in error. Vely^►t►e 18:40, 27 July 2013 (GMT)

Email

Sent you the email. Dragon Guard (talk) 19:44, 3 August 2013 (GMT)

The email is WAY too long to comprehend conditions for dialogue. Can you not help in the Sandbox? Dragon Guard (talk).

I don't have the motivation to sort through it, nor do I have the patience. The list I gave you contains all voiced dialogue, the race that says it, the gender that says it, the disposition required to hear it (noted by large numbers such as 35, 40, 60, etc.), and the rank required to hear it (noted by a number 0-9, I believe), as I mentioned in the email. I gave you the data, but I am not interested in working on the project. Vely^►t►e 19:03, 4 August 2013 (GMT)

I guess someone else will have to do it. Dragon Guard (talk) 22:09, 4 August 2013 (GMT)

Nobody else seems particularly interested in it. I gave you the data, do what you will with it. Vely^►t►e 22:21, 4 August 2013 (GMT)

How do you know that no one else is interested in it? Dragon Guard (talk) 09:28, 5 August 2013 (GMT)

CK Data Check Request: Alain Dufont

Hi Vely,

I added the schedule for SR:Alain Dufont and removed the stub tag today. However, in an IRC discussion with Nocte, it was determined that I should ask someone like yourself to double check the nature of Alain's schedule, as it is abnormal (he never sleeps) using the Creation Kit.

If you wouldn't mind doing that for me, and changing the existing data if you find anything more specific, I'd appreciate it. Thanks! GodRaine^Talk 06:17, 5 August 2013 (GMT)

I'll check tomorrow. If not, remind me. Vely^►t►e 06:24, 5 August 2013 (GMT)

Also of note, is that according to the CSList, SR:Captain Aldis has dialogue for the quest SR:Lights Out! but he doesn't appear to participate in the quest at all. Could you check that for me and confirm? Thanks. :) GodRaine^Talk 07:20, 5 August 2013 (GMT)

One more thing. I hope I'm not being too much of a bother. :) The CSList for Drevis Neloren shows that he has a 'lecture' about Doomstones throughout Skyrim; I've never seen this type of dialogue come up with him before in-game. Could you check the CK to see if that does appear at all? I did a little digging and Doomstones is apparently a thing in Oblivion ... but oddly enough, the Tower Stone and the Lord Stone have console location codes of Doomstonesnowy01 and Doomstonesnowy02. Any insight you can provide here on Drevis' dialogue would be great. :) GodRaine^Talk 14:55, 5 August 2013 (GMT)

If you checked Dufont's schedule via CSList, you should see that "allow sleep" has a value of 1 (true); however, he actually has no schedule, as that behavior requires that he be in cell WindhelmBloodworks. He has absolutely no schedule and I do not see one assigned to him in any Dark Brotherhood script.

Aldis isn't used by the quest as an alias, so he is definitely not involved in it. It appears as though the quest was intended to be given to you by Captain Aldis to clear out bandits... You could probably add this to Unfinished Quests, as it's a quest that could have been implemented but went in a different direction. There isn't any script leftover from it, just the info from conditions on the dialogue.

The quest MGCollegeLectureInfos/MGCollegeLetures is supposed to start when you finish MG01. It has to be later than 2PM for any of the lectures to begin, but after 1PM for Colette's. One of the eight lectures is randomly chosen to be played, but never repeated twice in a row. Colette talks about restoration, Faralda about college status, Urag about Shalidor's research, and Phinis about four different topics. Chances are you just haven't heard him say anything yet. The Doomstones are the standing stones and they each are located in "doomstone" cells. Vely^►t►e 20:39, 5 August 2013 (GMT)

Skyrim etymology

I made Skyrim etymology but wikia doesn't allow me to edit your etymology sandbox so I put them on forum, also your etymology has new updates.

http://forums.uesp.net/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=36419 — Unsigned comment by 94.253.183.104 (talk) at 07:05 on 5 August 2013‎

I'm not particularly invested in the etymology list anymore, but I see no reason why you shouldn't be able to edit the page. Vely^►t►e 07:08, 5 August 2013 (GMT)

Wikia says first large post is likely spamming and blocks action. — Unsigned comment by 94.253.183.104 (talk) at 07:50 on 5 August 2013

Make 2-4 smaller posts. Vely^►t►e 18:53, 5 August 2013 (GMT)

Essentials

When brawling and you lose you kneel down on one knee as if you were essential so when brawling are you essential? I need characters confirmed to be essential on the Skyrim:Essential NPCs page, such as Sinding and Tova Shatter-Shield. Both in-game and CS. Characters Found locations should be correct and directs the viewer to the most reliable place to find them. Pages Skyrim:Essential NPCs and Skyrim:Essential NPCs#Dragonborn should be merged. --ZinnLav (talk) 20:10, 5 August 2013 (GMT)

I'm not going to go to the effort of merging pages at this point.

I actually can't find anything on brawling. I've checked the relevant quests and done a bunch of searches, but nothing.

Werewolf Sinding is essential while human is protected (you can kill him but nobody else can, iirc). Werewolf Sinding is found in Bloated Man's Grotto while human Sinding is used in the quest. At some point, human Sinding's race is set to werewolf, but essential/protected tags never change.

Tova is always essential and I assume a script kills her, though I can't find that script at the moment.

I don't care about the characters found locations, but more detailed info on where to find them can be on the characters' or places' pages. It doesn't belong in a quick little chart, especially considering how it's very easy to find most characters given their location. If they're incorrect, feel free to correct them. Vely^►t►e 21:41, 5 August 2013 (GMT)

Tova commits suicide if Nilsine dies. (usually during Muiri's quest) --ZinnLav (talk) 21:47, 5 August 2013 (GMT)

Yes, I know, which probably happens via a script command. I've checked most/all relevant scripts and cannot find when it happens though. Vely^►t►e 21:49, 5 August 2013 (GMT)

CK of helpfulness!

Hey Vely! As promised, here is a bit of CK investigation for your pleasure:

• We need to turn this redirect into a normal house page.
• Is the reward for this quest leveled?
• This page needs a table for the leveled gold reward.

--Krusty (talk) 20:17, 7 August 2013 (GMT)

1. I'll fill it with my tears.
2. LvlQuestReward02Medium - Gold
3. Working on it. Vely^►t►e 20:45, 7 August 2013 (GMT)

Morrowind Cheats WORK for Oblivion!...TESTED on XBOX360;SOME OF THEM WORK

hey vely,jwcway here,a few days ago i looked at morrowind's UESP CHEATS Page,an left it alone for about an hour,i relized that some could possibly work for oblivion.i tessted it out on my xbox 360 and it worked.the codes that worked werre tiitled ,Super-Human Powers,Xbox cheats,Killing Without getting a Bounty or Guild Expulstion,and i think it was somthing about absorbing magicka but you have to have atronarcth birthsign. — Unsigned comment by Jwcway (talk • contribs) at 20:53 on 7 August 2013‎

Yes, some are supposed to work on any console. Vely^►t►e 20:57, 7 August 2013 (GMT)

Atronach Info

Hiya Vely, You told me to post here about this, so here I am. There is currently conflicting information on the NPC page for The Caller and the quest page for Hitting the Books regarding some atronachs which appear at some point after conversing with the Caller.

On her NPC page, it states that she conjures them if the preceding conversation ends in hostility, but going through her endless layers of templates shows no such spell in her possible spell list (which is both leveled and varies in the three main Destruction elements). I suppose it's possible that it's from a script, since that's where her teleport ability seems to come from, but you're much more familiar with scripts than I am, and I wouldn't know how to begin searching for that.

Anyway, the quest page indicates that the atronachs appear after grabbing a book from a pedestal (or two books from their respective pedestals). So I was just wondering how exactly these atronachs are triggered, and also whether it always happens or not. From the quest stages listed on the quest page, it should be somewhere between stage 55 and 60, but I'm not too familiar with that sort of thing. Thanks for the help. :) — ABCface^◥ 13:52, 8 August 2013 (GMT)

The aliases in the quest are MG03CallerSummon01 and 02. They are created by the quest. I can't find exactly where it happens, but I believe it's guaranteed when you enter combat. Vely^►t►e 00:56, 9 August 2013 (GMT)

Hmm, at least we have a starting point on where to dig deeper in terms of game data. It sounds like in-game testing may be the best way to figure it out from here. I haven't even started the College questline on my current character (and am unlikely to any time soon) but I'll have to keep this in mind for when I eventually do. I'll just leave the VN tag on her page for now. Thanks for looking into it! — ABCface^◥ 02:38, 9 August 2013 (GMT)

CK Data Check Request: Skyrim:The Battle for Fort Dunstad (Stormcloaks)

Hi Vely :)

As per our discussion in IRC, please check the quest CWFortSeigeFort, Skyrim:The Battle for Fort Dunstad (Stormcloaks). I'm mostly just trying to determine exactly how quest objectives should be fixed and checked.

In this example, stage 100 on the article shows (Objective is Assigned:) but it's actually on Stage 50. In this case, would I populate stage 50?

Thanks for your help as always! GodRaine^Talk 23:58, 8 August 2013 (GMT)

As you may be able to tell, the stages on the quest page are actually the objective numbers, which is incorrect. So yes, you are correct; in stage 50, script says setObjectiveDisplayed(100) if attacking after failing/completing objective 10 and setObjectiveDisplayed(200) if defending after failing/completing objective 20. Objectives 10 and 20 are assigned in stage 10.

If you need help reading scripts, I can write a little guide on what to look for. Vely^►t►e 01:06, 9 August 2013 (GMT)

Why no colors?

They’re a quick and handy way of denoting not only examples of style but also whether the examples are correct or incorrect. Is there an actual reason they shouldn't be stylistically offset? —Proton^[talk] 20:17, 11 August 2013 (GMT)

The green, imo, was hard to read, and I've heard from someone else that the red was hard on the eyes. In addition, it looked like the font/size was a bit different. It stood out, but usually to mark something we use italics and, on occasion, <code>. The wiki guidelines aren't there to look pretty, they're there to be functional, and there's no need to overcomplicate the formatting by adding in colors and font changes to basic guidelines. It's an unnecessary hassle and we have never used colors to illustrate examples. Vely^►t►e 20:23, 11 August 2013 (GMT)

Wikipedia uses it. I guess I assumed that it wasn’t an issue, given their significantly larger editor base. —Proton^[talk] 20:28, 11 August 2013 (GMT)

UESP differs a bit, but considering that adding colors makes the page look inconsistent and makes it inconsistent with other pages, I don't really see a need for the colors. Don't need to fix what's not broken. Vely^►t►e 20:37, 11 August 2013 (GMT)

Deathbrand Quest(ions)

Hey Vely! Just a few questions for your CK enjoyment – all of them related to Deathbrand.

• There are four ancient chests, each of them with a piece of the armor. I guess the one at Hagnir’s Shoal is fixed as being the helm, but the remaining three – are they fixed or random?
• Are the locks on the chests fixed or leveled?
• Are there more than five fixed copies of the book Deathbrand?

Hope you have the time to look it up – sandbox with IDs and walkthrough here. Thanks! --Krusty (talk) 23:14, 17 August 2013 (GMT)

• There are twelve fixed books: One on a Nord male dead adventurer in Gyldenhul, one in SVGreathall, RRTemple, RRMorvaynManorChambers, RRTheRetchingNetch, SVDeorsHouse, TelMithrynStewardsHouse, and FortFrostmoth01, and two in TelMithryn and BloodskalBarrow02. There is a 13th created by the Deathbrand quest on the Haknir's Shoal bandit boss.
• The chests' loot is fixed. 1 has helm, 2 has boots, 3 has cuirass, 4 has gauntlets.
• Chest 3 is adept-locked and next to a fallen tree. Chest 4, in a puddle next to a mudcrab by the shore, is also adept. Chests one and two are expert.

The chests are not enabled until sometime during the quest. Vely^►t►e 23:36, 17 August 2013 (GMT)

Woot! Thank you very much! Caek for you! --Krusty (talk) 06:04, 18 August 2013 (GMT)

i need help with Civil War srmcloaks

hey,i was doing stormcloak civil war quest batttle for sollitude,so i fought imperial troops outside casle dour,enterd, dour castle,with ulfric and galmor stone-fist,we wallkked into talk with legate Rikke and general tullius,we talked then suddenlyy it was just mme and Rikke fighting; General Tullius,Ulfric,and Gamor just standing there. i was like wats goin on, Rikke wont die she go's down, gets full health. theni decice to snipe sneak ataak her did it with most powrful bow i haad and most pwrfl arro bow enchanted with fire annd absorb heallth. i ccouldent get her 2 di. pln2-attack general talluis he cant die but does nothin no fight. pln3-take alle weaopons and armor by utilising pickpockert pperks,did it,still rikke fout ,evobodty elsre standin ther,me like wat the...

then pln4-magic,didnt work,not even shouts,i evn tried ,marked for death shout, at full force 2 kill her didnt work.

pln5 werewolf now every bodys fighting me and i wwas higddeen wen trnsfrm. every body now unkillable with no armor or weaponas fightinfg in underwear except tulliuas and ullfric had armor, but no weapons just fists, i had diffiiculty on novice, at the timme i transfornnmed,i set it from master to see if any diifence in character behavior, like figt again,, no health regen for opponents, this onlty happend during that specific quest and onl7yy in cASL doueer. can you tell me why this is happeningJwcway (talk) 19:55, 31 August 2013 (GMT)

It's a bug with no fix.

Also, I must ask you to please type more clearly; it is very difficult to understand your spelling and grammar. Vely^►t►e 20:22, 31 August 2013 (GMT)

cantBfrndcomplt,noGood-typSkilJwcway (talk) 19:44, 1 September 2013 (GMT)

"Can't comply, my typing skills aren't good"? In that case, please spend more time typing. You may notice someone else removed your comment for "nonsense"; it is nearly unintelligible. I may, in the future, ignore your comments if they are difficult to read. Vely^►t►e 20:10, 1 September 2013 (GMT)