Template talk:Online Provinces and Regions

Removal of Provinces

Since the Online namespace doesn't even have pages for provinces, they should probably be taken off this list. Currently, Reaper's March and Bangkorai are listed twice due to being cross-border, and Wrothgar is listed as a Covenant zone despite having nothing to do with the Covenant outside of lore. The neutral section is also a bit of a mess, with two separate subsections for single zones and no place for non-Adventure Zone DLC. Condensing this list down to Dominion, Covenant, Pact and Neutral would make this footer much more practical. —Legoless (talk) 15:44, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Generally I agree. There are parts of provinces that are not in Alliance territory (like Craglorn in Hammerfell and Murkmire in Black Marsh), and aside from passing mentions (usually in a general background or cultural sense), the provinces aren't prominent in-game. There was a section for non-Adventure Zones, which I had put Wrothgar in due to being non-Covenant, but it was removed. --Enodoc (talk) 15:57, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

We could also do away with this template completely, do a couple of tweaks to Template:Online Subzones, rename it to Template:Online Regions and use that everywhere. --Enodoc (talk) 22:46, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Could work just as well, but are subzones really relevant enough to gameplay? Especially with Craglorn, it seems like they're shying away from that approach to zones. —Legoless (talk) 01:13, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

They're mentioned quite a bit in flavor text and expanded dialogue (eg, passing mentions of Nothern Woods, Jodewood and Dawnmead occur with reasonable frequency in Reaper's March), and each subzone usually has a slightly different take on the zone story, but I think the real test for subzones in general will be how they handle Wrothgar. The worst thing about Craglorn was how they introduced Upper Craglorn as "the third region of Craglorn", meaning Lower Craglorn is actually two regions, neither of which have actually been named. --Enodoc (talk) 13:31, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

It seems like Wrothgar will be split in two at least, and Murkmire has a very clear three-way divide. I guess we can always list the DLC zones differently and still keep the subzone links. We could also just make up the names like what was done for Cyrodiil (à la Lower Craglorn East), but I'd prefer to avoid that personally. —Legoless (talk) 13:56, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Yeah the divides do seem to be clear, as I think descriptions of Murkmire mention three regions, and there's a datamined alpha map for Wrothgar with three different terrain types coloured in. We also seem to have one Wrothgar region name already: Black Mountain, the region with Orsinium in. The names for the Cyrodiil areas weren't totally made up, they were from an earlier version of the Skyshards achievements, whose descriptions were "Find all 15 Skyshards in the Aldmeri Territory of Cyrodiil" (etc), but I agree there's no benefit to making up names for the two parts of Lower Craglorn. Maybe we can try and get their names from an appropriate Loremaster's Archive, if something relevant turns up (and if those names even exist). --Enodoc (talk) 14:41, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Let's see what comes of this... --Enodoc (talk) 14:47, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

"Phrastus" just answered on ESO Live: the two lower subzones are Belkarth Region and Elinhir Region. —Legoless (talk) 20:42, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Wrothgar will probably use the names "Lower Wrothgar" and "Upper Wrothgar", similarly to Craglorn, which can be seen in one in-game book and also in several places in the game files. --Vordur Steel-Hammer (TINV1K) 01:34, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

I hope not, those are really boring names    :P   I only found one mention of "lower Wrothgar" in the text files, and that was not necessarily as a name, but I haven't looked through every instance of "Wrothgar" to see how else the names may be used. We still have Black Mountain as a Wrothgar region, although I don't remember where that name came from and that's not in the text files either.

Thanks for picking out the answer to the question, Lego! I'd be inclined to wait to see how they stylize it in the printed answers, then create redirects from those names to Lower Craglorn. Then we can update the (West) and (East) place lists with those names, and probably put them in place of Lower Craglorn in the template. --Enodoc (talk) 22:13, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

(←) The name "Black Mountain region" came from the QuakeCon video, when one of the developers showed the concept map and said something like "Orsinium is in the Black Mountain area over there", although for me, it didn't sound like the name of a region, more like a generic name, like "Orsinium is in the black mountain area over there". I guess a native speaker would have to watch that again to be absolutely sure which version is correct. --Vordur Steel-Hammer (TINV1K) 03:11, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Wait, they print those livestream answers? —Legoless (talk) 14:08, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, in the thread they draw the questions from; here's the ones from last time: [1] --Enodoc (talk) 14:29, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Just wanted to add that I've tweaked Template:Online Subzones in case we do eventually decide to use it everywhere. --Enodoc (talk) 12:03, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Unless anyone objects, we might as well make the switch now. —Legoless (talk) 14:33, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

I've replaced this template with the updated subzone navbar and proposed it for deletion. —Legoless (talk) 23:03, 12 June 2015 (UTC)