Oblivion talk:Armor/Archive 1

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Elven weight error

The total weight for the Elven armor in the table does not add up. Either the total should be 34.90 (not 35.1) or one of the individual items is listed with the wrong weight. I'd fix it, but I don't know which the error is. Can somebody with Elven armor in game check? FrankBoth 12:47, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

Thanks for noticing that, and thanks for asking someone to look into it :) I was going to just assume that someone's math was wrong but actually one of the items (Elven Greaves) had the wrong weight. It should now be fixed. --Nephele^Talk 15:17, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

Blackwood vs Madness

I'm playing on the XBox, so I don't have the ability to look up behind the scene stats... How does Blackwood Armor compare to other armors? I see that for instance, I see that Madness and Blackwood Shields both offer 13 defense as said in the game, but the cost and weight differs. However, I have no idea how Durable Blackwood armor is compared to other armors. Given a choice is Madness armor always better because it's lighter, or is Blackwood armor more durable? -- A Guest 18:00, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

Try comparing the stats for Blackwood armor, provided at Other Specialty Gear, with the stats for Madness armor, provided at Shivering:Madness Armor. --Nephele^Talk 18:15, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

Also, if I remember correctly, Madness armor varies in quality depending on what level you had it made at, but all in all Blackwood armor is moderately good armor and let's face it, the crossed Axe/Sword with a tree background is stylish as can be. User:Sevantius

Leveling suggestion

Wouldn't it be useful to add a column that says approximately when you can expect to encounter the various types? --MiSP 18:33, 3 May 2006 (EDT)

Wish fulfilled, you have two left. --Thehankerchief 04:23, 4 May 2006 (EDT)

Ok then, same thing for the weapons. =) --MiSP 04:41, 4 May 2006 (EDT)

One left :-) --Thehankerchief 03:02, 5 May 2006 (EDT)

Thanks a lot, I'll save the last one for later. :-P You truly make UESP a better place, I've seen a lot of your wonderful work here... --MiSP 17:13, 5 May 2006 (EDT)

Rating to Damage

Ahhh I'd like to make a wish for a formula showing how your Armor ratting translate into damage absorbed. I already created the section and linked to it from several pages. I just need someone with the knowledge to fill it in.--Lorenz03Tx 22 July 2006

Do you mean, for example, if your armor rating is 85%, and somone hits you with a 20 point attack, how much damage is actually done to your health? Isn't it just 3, i.e., 20*(1-0.85)? --Nephele 12:20, 22 July 2006 (EDT)

I couldn't be more of a moron some times. --Lorenz03Tx

Spells?

Does armor rating affect spells cast against you? --Rlpowell 19:08, 14 August 2006 (EDT)

My understanding is that, no, armor rating does nothing to protect you from spells. I can say for sure that spell attacks do nothing to damage armor, which would be consistent with spells ignoring your armor. --Nephele 21:25, 14 August 2006 (EDT)

Bracers

As was just pointed out on the clothing page, there are also bracers in the game, which should somehow be included on the armor page. I'm just not sure where. So for now, here's a table summarizing the bracers that I could find listed in the CS.

Name	Object ID
Leather Bracer	000229A9	1.5	80	5	1
Bands of the Chosen	0003C803	2.0	50	0	1

The Bands of the Chosen appear at first glance to be a cursed item on the Mythic Dawn prisoners in MQ15. I couldn't find them on any pages right now, but they probably belong somewhere other than the plain armor page.

And in case any one is interested, the only places where you can get leather bracers are: Archer's Paradox in Bravil, Baurus, Jalbert, Kurz gro Baroth, Shaleez, one of the Clarabella pirates, or some imperial legion foresters. --Nephele 16:19, 6 October 2006 (EDT)

Need daedric pants (greaves?) and gauntlets!

Ok, i know you have to be Lvl. 20 and i am. i beat the game, and both peryite and boethia's quests, so oblivion is out of the question. (i got the curiass and helmet from a chosen though :D ) but where can i get the greaves and gauntlets (non-enchanted)? -- -m'aiq the liar 23:26, 14 October 2006 (EDT)

From any Marauder or random NPC who wears heavy armor (scan Oblivion:Places to see where you can find marauders). You won't necessarily get it first try, but once you reach level 20 there is a chance that any piece of heavy armor you find in loot or on an NPC will be be daedric. --Nephele 23:44, 14 October 2006 (EDT)

Thank You!

i'll check fort wooden hand next time i'm playing. -m'aiq the liar 10:03, 15 October 2006 (EDT)maiq the liar

Non-enchanted vs. Mundane

Personally, I think "Mundane" is the better term to use, since "All non-enchanted armors" would also include many item not listed here - guard uniforms, some unique variants like "Pinarus' Iron Cuirass", quest-specific items, etc. Pretty much everything listed on Specialty Gear would qualify. "Mundane" means this page is just the regular, common base armor found everywhere. --TheRealLurlock 17:09, 16 October 2006 (EDT)

I changed it to "non-enchanted" primarily because "mundane" had been deleted. I can't say why the earlier editor deleted "mundane", since no edit description was given, but I figured perhaps an alternative adjective would work better. Are there perhaps other options? --Nephele 17:38, 16 October 2006 (EDT)

How about "standard"? Or "base"? Or just go back to "mundane", I don't see what was wrong with that. --TheRealLurlock 14:53, 17 October 2006 (EDT)

Only lvl 7 help

Hey guys ive had my 360 a while but i just got oblivion for it i need help on wwhere to find crayfish cave and where the best spot to loot is... Help — Unsigned comment by 71.207.79.236 (talk)

Try the page on Crayfish Cave, which includes a map link. And try Items and all the links from that page for info on where items can be found. --Nephele 22:41, 6 January 2007 (EST)

Semi Protection

This page has been vandalized 3 times in the past week or so by anon users. Perhaps a temporary protection is in order. --Ratwar 13:18, 15 January 2007 (EST)

My only reason to hesitate is that there doesn't seem to be any pattern to any of these edits... the IP addresses are completely different, and the type of edits are all pretty different (adding nonsense, deleting a whole section, deleting four lines). And there's no obvious reason to me why people might be drawn to mess with this page in particular. Which makes me wonder whether it's just coincidence rather than an actual trend. So I'm inclined to wait and see if there is a fourth case before taking action. Would that work? --Nephele 16:36, 15 January 2007 (EST)

Sounds good to me.--Ratwar 17:06, 15 January 2007 (EST)

I just realized there have been another five cases in the last week alone where anonymous IPs changed entries on this page to provide incorrect info. I still don't understand why this page would be such a magnet for false edits, but it obviously has become one. So I'm going to go ahead and semi-protect it. --Nephele 11:03, 2 February 2007 (EST)

Pictures?

Where can I get good pictures of all the armor?

You can just do the simple thing and go to google type in oblivion (whatever)armor then search images --Dark Oblivion 23:35, 26 September 2007 (EDT)

Light Iron Shield

Hey all, I posted this previously, but it was deleted (for lack of evidence, I imagine). There is a Light Iron Shield in the game that is considered light armour. I found one for sale in Bravil once (Luciana Galena), and I've found others out in the wild. I'm playing on the 360, so I can't access any CS data on it, but I feel like there should be something listed for it on the page. Xeagle51 23:59, 10 May 2007 (EDT)xeagle51

It is already on the page. It's technically part of the Chainmail set, and is listed there. I guess it made more sense than "chainmail shield".  :P --Deathbane27 00:04, 11 May 2007 (EDT)

P.S. If you edit a page, and later find those changes removed, you can click on the History tab at the top of the page. There you can usually find the reason it was changed back. In this case, revert: light iron shield is already listed under chainmail armor. -Deathbane27 00:09, 11 May 2007 (EDT)

Page Layout

For me, the graphs for the armor on this page overlap each other (the tables on the right side cover up a small amount of the tables to the left). Does it look this way to anyone else? I'm using IE7 right now, but it actually lines up right for me if I open the page in Firefox. Additional note - my screen resolution is 1280 x 1024. Jason the2nd 01:31, 30 June 2007 (EDT)

I just tried it in IE7 and get the same result. I don't imagine there's any easy way to stop this happening, but I might have a go if I get a few minutes. --Rpeh^Talk 04:05, 30 June 2007 (EDT)

Hmm. It doesn't look like this can be done without completely reformatting the page. Typical IE really... --Rpeh^Talk 07:08, 30 June 2007 (EDT)

Fixed. Just added a third column in-between the two, and reduced each of the larger columns from 50% width to 49%. It had the side-effect of fixing the alignment for the Leather Bracer row as well. It's my first time editing wiki tables, so someone who's better acquainted with them may want to double-check what I did (changed both "width=" and added "| || " between light & heavy armor columns), but I believe it's all correct. --Robin Hood 18:19, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

Looks good in both Firefox 2 and IE 6! Thanks :) --Nephele^Talk 19:02, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

Just looked at it on a 1024 x 768 screen, and the right-edge was cut off. Removed the "nowrap" from the main table, which fixed the problem at some window widths, but not at others. Tried removing ALL the "nowrap"'s, but it made no difference, so I give up. I'm guessing it's something in the CSS for the table. --Robin Hood 20:55, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

Table Re-formatting

Someone may want to re-format the tables entirely so that each sub-table is in a cell of its own, forcing them to line up (i.e., Fur Armor, then Iron Armor, new row; Leather Armor, Steel Armor, new row; etc.). As I said above, this is my first time editing a table, so I wouldn't begin to dream of trying that, but it would improve the alignment significantly by doing that. --Robin Hood 18:26, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

I tried that once, but the problem is that then the Table of Contents gets all messed up (because the order of the sections becomes fur, iron, leather, steel, etc., instead of fur, leather, ... iron, steel, ...) So if we want to do it, it requires also creating a customized ToC. Not that that's a huge problem, especially given that the sections on this page seem unlikely to change too much. But it was enough to discourage me at the time ;) So if anyone would like to tackle it, I think it would help the page's layout, but be forewarned that there are some extra complications. --Nephele^Talk 19:02, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

Hi Nephele. I was thinking about how I would approach this, and now that I'm a bit more comfortable with wiki editing, I think I can do it fairly easily (albeit with a lot of cutting & pasting), so I'd like to take on re-formatting the tables. I don't know how to make a custom ToC, though, which I would need to know before I start. Any links, suggestions, whatever, that you can send me? If you wanna take it private, you can e-mail me either through the normal wiki methods, or you can find my public e-mail address posted on my User page.

• Also, while I'm massively re-vamping the page anyway, I notice that we're being inconsistent with our "x.0" numbers...the weight column seems to not use them, but the (armour) value column does use them. Unless there's a good reason to do it that way, I'll re-format those to do without the ".0" while I'm at it. Does anybody foresee any problems with this? --Robin Hood 13:19, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

Personally I'd prefer any column that has a decimal value to use a decimal all the time. In other words, everything should have ".0" if even one item has ".5". Conversely, if everything is an integer, skip a decimal point. --Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 13:27, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

I considered that possibility as well, but for me, I find it easier to "process" a single digit "5" rather than a "5.0". It's not a big concern for me, though, so whatever the consensus is, I'll follow that. --Robin Hood 13:38, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

I've been using "5.0" for weight values on all item pages site-wide. Likewise, if an item weighs less than 1 unit, I put "0.5" rather than ".5". To me, the chart on the left is much easier to compare numbers with, because the digits line up:

Easy: Weight 0.5 1.0 2.5 5.0 30.0

Hard: Weight .5 1 2.5 5 30

--TheRealLurlock ^Talk 19:15, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

Agreed, especially when it's right-aligned. I'm not quite far enough along yet in my wiki editing skills to right-align only certain columns, though. :) --Robin Hood 21:17, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

Unfortunately, I don't think it's possible to right-align a whole column. You'd have to individually right-align every cell in that column. The only reason it worked in the above case was I right-aligned the whole table, which you obviously wouldn't want to do in most cases. To right-align the cells, you'd just need to use the following formatting:

{|class=wikitable !Item!!Weight |- |Feather||{{Al|r}}|0.1 |- |Rock||{{Al|r}}|1.0 |- |Bowling Ball||{{Al|r}}|16.0 |}

Item Weight Feather 0.1 Rock 1.0 Bowling Ball 16.0

--TheRealLurlock ^Talk 21:26, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

(I just made a template to make text alignment much easier. Changed all above examples to show it in use.) --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 21:35, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

In which case, probably my best bet would be to right-align the entire table, then center-align the Name and ObjectID columns. --Robin Hood 21:38, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

I went ahead and did it, re-ordering the sections so that they line up better. (The string of <br/>s didn't really work since it depends on your browser width.) In order to make the TOC not go all screwy and out of order, I made a manual one instead. And I got rid of a bunch of redundant table-formatting. The numbers are all right-aligned, and the Name columns are center-aligned. (Didn't bother center-aligning the ObjectID columns, because the value in there is always the same number of fixed-width characters, so it doesn't really matter which way it's aligned.) I'm loving the new Template:Al template, because this would've been a real pain before. Wish I'd thought of it a long time ago. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 12:13, 5 November 2007 (EST)

You stole my thunder, but that's okay, you did a better job of it than I could've anyway. --Robin Hood 13:30, 5 November 2007 (EST)

Glass vs Daedric

I am wondering if the armour values listed for light armour are before the 50% extra bonus from skill 100 in light armour? if so this means daedric = glass at max lvl, and its a choice of which look I like best. I've also heard that its -5% effectivness at magic in both light or heavy armour at max lvl. One reason daderic is meant to be better is that to get the 50% bonus on light you have to wear the whole set, so if one piece is disintergrated then you'll lose alot of defence. maybe some of this could be added Gaunt 16:07, 1 July 2007 (EDT)

The values listed are indeed without the 50% mastery bonus. Much of what you've asked is answered in the "Armor Rating" section. I don't have the game in front of me, so I can't test this, but I believe the bonus applies as long as you're only wearing light armor - you don't have to be wearing the full set, so the disintegration problem isn't an issue. --Rpeh^Talk 06:46, 2 July 2007 (EDT)

Yes, there is always a -5% modifier to spell effectiveness if you wear armour. That is the advantage wearing clothing provides. Glass and daedric are essentially equal in damage reduction at skill 100, as they are both capped at 85% effectiveness. The 50% bonus provided by an armour Mastery, applies to each individual piece of armour I believe. --Saruuk 07:58, 2 July 2007 (EDT)

Daedric Armor will last longer before needing repaired. In my opinion, it also looks cooler. -- Ellemonopy 23:50, 6 July 2007 (EDT)

Best enchanted armor

Reply to this if you know of a good enchanted armor and where to find it or the code for the console command player.additem

I've made my own using transcendent sigil stones with Chameleon 30%. You only need to enchant four of the armor pieces to get 120% Chameleon and basically run around unnoticed. You can attack all you want, and they'll just ignore you. You don't have to sneak around when travelling, too, so it's a great way to explore the map without being bothered by all the lions, trolls and bears!— Unsigned comment by 70.240.144.192 (talk)

Another Higher Level Armor (Available at lvl 1)

I think it would be convenient to some people to include the fact that you can obtain an almost complete set of chainmail as well as a silver longsword from killing the corrupt captain in the quest Two Sides of a Coin. =D — Unsigned comment by Rantor (talk • contribs)

There is another article, Best Non-leveled Items, specifically written to provide information on what better quality items are available to level one characters. And Tyrellius Logellus' armor is already listed there. --Nephele^Talk 03:20, 10 November 2007 (EST)

were glass armor??

can u tell me were 2 find glass armor glass armor should be somewhere but for me it is nowere it cant be nowere it just cant plz help me tell me were glass armor is...please.

Okay. First, you won't find glass armor until you reach level 20 (as the page says). Second, you find it on NPCs that wear light armor such as Bandits, although you can also find it in random loot. Thirdly... good grief! --Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 14:57, 21 November 2007 (EST)

Sorry, I know it goes against normal wiki etiquette (wetikette? <g>) to edit other peoples' posts, but the excessive periods were causing really odd-looking justification and it was exceptionally hard to read. --Robin Hood 01:04, 22 November 2007 (EST)

Mazoga the Ork might have it around 17-19, I remember getting a few pieces of Ebony Armor from her at Level 14. — Unsigned comment by Rouge2 (talk • contribs) on 5 November 2008

No, Mazoga only wheres the best heavy armor for your level. And she's missing the gauntlets and helmet. — Unsigned comment by Kaito (talk • contribs) on 19 March 2009

Where to find Dwarven Armor?

For those interested I can tell you that the legs and gloves are sold by the Amber-smith in Bliss (Shivering Isles). I'm hoping someone can remind me where to find the cuirass. As for the boots, shield, and helm, I think they're random loot but I'm not certain. I hope this post isn't redundant, I couldn't find any on this topic. Anyway, any advice would be appreciated. ~LtF

Almost all armor in the game is randomly generated based upon your character's level. Including the dwarven greaves and gauntlets that you found: other players will not find those same items there. See the section on Leveled List Info. --Nephele^Talk 02:05, 15 December 2007 (EST)

Helmets

Why is it that the hardest part to find of every armor set is the helmet? I can't tell you how many times I've had a full set of armor except for the helmet and never found one until I had the full set of the next one up, minus the helmet of THAT set of course. It's really annoying me. I don't think I've EVER seen an Elven Helmet come to think of it, which is the armor set my current character is on now. --Mole126 07:59, 23 February 2008

If you're really desperate for an elven helmet, you can find an "Ancient Elven Helm" during the mages guild quest Vahtacen's Secret. You can use this helm, but if you want to finish the quest, you have to give it to Skaleel. It might be possible to kill her, or pickpocket her, then get it back, but I'm not sure. - Game Lord^{Talk|Contribs}

You give the helmet to Irlav Jarol at the end of the quest, not Skaleel, and you can't steal it back. — Unsigned comment by Kaito (talk • contribs) on 19 March 2009

Your best bet for standard helms is to go after Bandit Ringleaders. They, and their Black Bow Bandit friends are the most likely to have Elven helms, but you're quite likely to get other light helmet types too. It's all a matter of luck and I'll agree it can be quite frustrating! –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 11:27, 23 February 2008 (EST)

It makes no sense why helmets should be less common than the rest of the armour pieces. I mean, they all have very similar counts on the Construction Set, so either they're better hidden, or you're looking in the wrong places. --HMSVictory 11:34, 23 February 2008 (EST)

Actually, it makes perfect sense. The counts in the CS are only a small part of the story. You also need to look at the percentage chance of an item appearing and also at the leveled lists in which the item appears. In the specific case of an Elven helmet, all its (non-test) appearances are in leveled lists. One of those is the "LL0LootArmorLight5Elven100" list. In turn, that is used in the "LL1LootArmor100" list, which... isn't used anywhere. The next appearance, "LL0LootArmorLightHelmet100" is used by "LL2NPCArmorComboLightHelmet100", which... isn't used anywhere either. The reason I'm mentioning those ones is that they are the only lists that would guarantee an appearance of the helmet - all the others have at least a 25% chance of not appearing. For armor like the Elven Cuirass there are more 100% chance lists, which makes for a much greater chance of them appearing. And now I've confused everybody, just trust me when I say that helmets appear much less often than some other items! –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 12:26, 23 February 2008 (EST)

Now that we're on this subject and it's still 'fresh' I was wondering if there are any NPC's non-randomly wearing (preferably heavy) helmets of the best quality available at your level, NPC's that you can kill to loot them and are not or no longer needed for quests? Mazoga has a few items, but no helm and as I recall no shield, and the non-stealthy Orc at the dark brotherhood sactuary wears some armor pieces too, but both don't have helmets:( I prefer to go to a place and kill an NPC rather than going after Ringleaders and the such. - Korunox 14:39, 23 February 2008 (EST)

Okay, that is actually an almost impossible question to answer fully for the reasons I mentioned above. To give a fully-detailed and accurate answer would take me hours but for now, look at Black Brugo and Marauder Warlords. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 15:39, 23 February 2008 (EST)

That's okay. Like you said, you confused me ;) I guess I'm going to have to go demand some bandit-lives then. Thank you anyway! - Korunox 16:06, 23 February 2008 (EST)

I'm level 30, and I have cleaned out numerous bandit lairs without finding a single glass helmet. I have over 1 million gold, too, so it would be nice to have a vendor that at least sold the items!!! — Unsigned comment by 38.100.176.34 (talk)

Images - female

Can we get images of armors on a female character? I tried looking for them but most of the images on the net are of mod armor. 220.239.117.18 01:12, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Daedric Superiority

Does daedric armour give you the most protection in the game? Or are there others which give you more (Heavy armour I mean), or equal amounts AND an enchantment (already on the armour, not one that I would have to put on)? Just wondering because I am at level 30 now and havent found anything stronger, to speak of.Logiccube 15:19, 22 April 2008 (EDT)

Well, unenchanted it is the best armor in the game. Unless you have Shivering Isles. That adds armor known as Madness, which is better than Daedric if you get the Perfect version of it which is available at level 23+. I think it is 5 armor points better than Daedric, but I'm not positive. If you want it to be more powerful however, you can always enchant it with shield.--Imperial Scum 12:09, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

The level 25+ version of the Escutcheon of Chorrol has 35% reflect damage and fortify endurance 10 with the same AR as daedric, though I'm not positive as to its health. — Unsigned comment by Varka (talk • contribs)

A daedric shield weights 24 and has 2025 health, the level 25+ Escutcheon weighs 36 and has 1500 health. --Gaebrial 03:05, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

Mention where armour is

I've had to hunt for this information myself, and it seems frustrating that I had to do so. Many others, as I see on this talk page, have had my same problem: Where [exactly] do we get light or heavy armour? Simple: Marauder Dungeons or Bandit Dungeons. If someone could add this to the article somewhere, the introduction perhaps, this would greatly improve the article. 24.250.102.71 19:54, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

Heavy Armor is at Marauder Dungeons and Light Armor is Bandit Dungeons and Rockmilk Cave has both. Rouge2 17:24, 5 November 2008 (EST)

Orcish armor

Can you buy orcish armor at armor stores. If you can what level does it start to appear in stores? 24.23.230.168 23:00, 25 May 2008 (EDT)

As it already says in the article: "vendors in stores will not offer ... Mithril/Orcish until level 15". --Nephele^Talk 23:36, 25 May 2008 (EDT)

Resist Normal Weapons

Wouldn’t having 15% Resist Normal Weapons with 85% effective armor mean having 100% resistance to none enchanted weapons

This is wrong place for this but I can’t login and edit every time I log in and go back to the discussion or any other wiki page it loges me back out 67.142.130.36 23:34, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

No, the two effects work differently. What it would mean is that when somebody hit you with a 'normal' weapon, the damage done would first be reduced by the 15% resistance, and then the reduced value would be further reduced by the 85% armor. So you'd still take some damage. --Gaebrial 05:10, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

Thanks and I calculated the numbers you take roughly 1 point of damage every 8 point given (8=>1.02) I thought that it added the 15% to the 85% before it gave damage 67.142.130.37 13:53, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

Higher level, worse chance?

I have been looking for an elven helmet and an ebony helmet, while dungeon crawling and mines and caves and such, being at level 21, I thought it would be much easier, but after finding a Daedric helmet on a mauradur warlord, I thought, maybe I made a mistake. Is this true? I just really wish I could at least buy Elven armor and Ebony maybe, or is it just the chance that I managed to find a Daedric helmet instead of lower leveled because I had found a bandit ringleader with almost full glass but a mithril helmet. Nevermind, I did some more dungeon crawling and managed to find the helmets I need, also, the zone with the Boss-level Maraudur or the Bandit Ringleader, if you save before you go in and find that the boss doesn't have what your looking for and you have the right level, then re-load, re-enter, and find the boss. Keep doing this until you get what you need from the boss, which for me was an ebony helmet which I found on the Fort Cedrian boss and it was easy there because I was near the Boss from the door I had gone through.

You can get the Ebony helmet from Umbra 24.5.220.8 07:17, 12 July 2009 (UTC)Chaos

No you can't. That's a unique version called "Umbra's Ebony Helmet". –rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 11:51, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Rough Leather Armor

Does anyone know if this site has information on the "rough leather" armor you find in the first tutorial mission where you find items like rough leather shield? I'm having trouble find information on it and was wondering if there was a complete set or its importance. I thought it was equivalent to "rusty" for weapons but for armor. --Piercethetruth 19:30, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

It is listed here. There isn't a full set, only Cuirass, Shield and Boots, and it only appears in the Tutorial dungeon. As for it's stats, the Rough Leather armor is worse than the rusty iron armor that you can also find during the tutorial, but it is stronger than Fur Armor. -- LordDagon 03:10, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

'Higher Quality Equipment'

On the page it states that 'Vendors will never offer the higher quality equipment'- does this mean glass and daedric or elven, ebony, glass and daedric. If it is the former, I think 'Vendors will never offer the highest quality equipment' would be more suitable, otherwise I think it should say something along the lines of 'Vendors will never offer elven, ebony, glass or daedric equipment'. This is important IMO because I love elven and ebony armour and don't want to level up too high to find it before I have the full sets. Please could someone clarify. ps. sorry if that was a little long-winded The-manta 12:31, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

As far as I can tell, all of your questions are answered by the article, in particular if you read the entire paragraph instead of just one sentence. The full context of the sentence is: "[Vendors] will not offer Chainmail/Dwarven armor until level 10 and Mithril/Orcish until level 15. Vendors will never offer the higher quality equipment." In other words, vendors will not offer equipment higher in quality than Chainmail/Dwarven/Mithril/Orcish. And there's a table immediately above the paragraph that lists every single type of armor, so you just have to look two lines up to see what the equipment types are. "Highest" would not be appropriate here because there are four higher types of armor included; the comparative seems perfectly appropriate in reference to the previous sentence. If you feel that it's necessary to spell out exactly what the four higher types of armor are, go ahead and edit the article. But in my opinion, it doesn't seem necessary. --Nephele^Talk 13:21, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

Ok, thanks for pointing that out, I'm a bit of a fusspot and only skimmed the rest. I think you're probably right and the page does not really need it to be spelled out. I also now realise that the page states that 'lower level armor will also randomly appear', making the question redundant anyway. Thanks again and my apologies.

The-manta 16:43, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

Elven Armor

where can i find or buy full elven amour?? — Unsigned comment by 78.146.197.2 (talk)

It will start to appear as random loot once you reach level 15. --Volanaro 06:34, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

Do the fighters guild quest, Azani Blackheart. He wears a complete set of elvish armor, minus the helmet. --Kaito

Where to find?

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How and where do you get/find this armor?— Unsigned comment by 99.150.100.185 (talk) at 12:37 on 19 December 2008

The armor starts appearing on enemies and in random leveled loot starting at level 20.--penguin0719^Talk•_Contribs13:57, 19 December 2008 (EST)

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