Lore talk:Talin

Talin and Warhaft

Talin and general Warhaft could not be the same person, because Ethernal Champion was born in 3E 370 and was only 19 years old when Tharn betrayed the emperor. — Unsigned comment by 95.165.158.81 (talk) at 08:16 on 7 November 2012‎ (GMT)

Not an unrealistic age. Also, this page is by no means canon, and is mostly speculative. It exists solely to clarify who this "Talin" person is. —Legoless (talk) 18:20, 7 November 2012 (GMT)

All this mess about Talin must be a result of scriptwriters' mistakes. But Talin also could be just a popular name, the name of Ethernal Champion, given after his unknown father, and, by chance, the name of General Warhaft. Warhaft could also be Talin's father, but in the final scene Warhaft doesn't treat Champion as his son. 95.165.137.6 12:16, 16 March 2013 (GMT)

Gender

It appears that this name is a male-dominant name (Warhaft was male, and Eternal Champion's father is, obviously, male), so should we change the gender from unknown to male? --Resonance Gamer (talk) 01:20, 13 June 2014 (GMT)

Don't quote me on this but I'm pretty sure both the Eternal Champion and the Nerevarine have been confirmed as male. The E.C in the game manuel, the same that gave them the canon name Talin.--StormySkies (talk) 01:25, 13 June 2014 (GMT)

Had a quick read of the manual. Multiple times it says "his", "he", etc --Resonance Gamer (talk) 01:28, 13 June 2014 (GMT)

Eternal Champion =/= Warhaft

I doubt General Warhaft and the E.C are the same because Warhaft appears to be in his mid-40s while the EC is only 19, and in Oblivion, in his books (Manual of Arms + Manual of Armor) he's not referred to as "Eternal Champion Warhaft". I think it's more probable that the E.C was named after his father, and E.C's father and Warhaft are either the same person or different people --Resonance Gamer (talk) 01:46, 13 June 2014 (GMT)

Lol, I think we can say with 100% certainty that Warhaft and EC's Father are either the same person or different people. :P Jeancey (talk) 03:25, 13 June 2014 (GMT)

It's all conjecture anyway. In some versions of Arena, Warhaft doesn't appear at the end, which you could view as evidence that he's the Eternal Champion. This page simply serves to explain the name mix-up. —Legoless (talk) 15:42, 13 June 2014 (GMT)

Protection?

This page seems to stir up a lot of controversy, which is understandable considering the topic. Would semi-protection be appropriate? —Legoless (talk) 15:26, 17 December 2014 (GMT)

Race

Would it be appropriate to list the race as human/man as we can clearly see Warhaft looks human (doesn't share the same facial build as Bosmer of Khajit, and looks closer to Breton or Nord)? Plus most names usually stick with one race, so all 3 Talin's mentioned are most likely the same race --Rezalon (talk) 07:48, 24 January 2015 (GMT)

No, that would be speculation. —Legoless (talk) 14:11, 24 January 2015 (GMT)

Confirmation that Warhaft and EC are not the same person

"Talin looked around, "Why are you here? I am but one, and not skilled in much of anything. Why not go to General Warhaft, or the Imperial Guard?" Ria shook her head, "They have been captured along with the Emperor..." - from the Arena manual.

Now that it has been confirmed that they are in fact NOT one in the same, I think the the last paragraph on this page is in need of an edit --Rezalon (talk) 04:24, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Not at all, it remains a possibility based on the Arena opening cinematic and versions of the game that lack Warhaft at the end. —Legoless (talk) 13:40, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Page remodel

I've created what I think is a more suitable layout for this page. It makes the page more lore-like, but still keeps the speculation. It should have all the information relating to Talin needed, so I think it would be a good replacement for the current page. The link is below. Cheers.

User:Rezalon/Sandbox

--Rezalon (talk) 03:13, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

I don't see any obvious issues, be bold and replace it with your version. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 03:16, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

I have to strongly disagree, on several points:

This page is not about the Eternal Champion. Information on the Champion belongs on Lore:Hero, and is duplicated here.

The note about the Floppy Disk version is entirely without context in the current version, and sounds nonsensical.

Stating that Talin is named after his father is pure speculation and can't be stated with authority on the wiki.

The previous layout presents the three pieces of info without bias and with equal footing. Confining Warhalf to the bottom of the page and stating that it is "often argued" is biased.

Based on the above flaws, I've reverted. I understand that you have a strong interest in this subject, but this page is not intended to be a regular lore biography, but simply a description of the conflicting info relating to the name 'Talin'. I would encourage everyone to read the above discussions before making any drastic changes in future. —Legoless (talk) 11:49, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Seeing as you wish to keep this page based on the speculation of who Talin is, then would you object to a Lore:Eternal Champion page? He has far more information known about him than all the other heroes, which is seen in the game's manual and character creation screen. The page may be small if created, but it would be a valuable addition to the Wiki as it would link all the information known about him together, and not just be hidden in small corners of the Wiki. --Rezalon (talk) 04:20, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

I wouldn't object, personally. We have pages on Lore:Nerevarine and Lore:Cyrus. Might want to discuss it here first though. —Legoless (talk) 14:15, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Proposal

Should probably kill this page. Keep Lore:Talin Warhaft and Lore:Eternal Champion. The "Who is Talin" thing has been figured out with refs in the notes section of Lore:Warhaft. (It's still possible the Eternal Champion was named after Warhaft per the manual, so that reference should remain on Lore:Eternal Champion). But Lore:Talin's existence will just enable more unnecessary confusion of an effectively resolved issue. XO XO Username-72 (talk) 23:11, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

For a long time I was under the misguided stance that there was three Talins based on the character create scenario. But digging into it further and paying attention to Rocks work has made me notice that the Talin father from the create character scenarios is Warhaft who other cut slides confirm is the pcs paternal guardian. So I would agree that this page as it stands could probably do for a change, but instead of an outright deletion, perhaps a redirect to the Eternal Champion and Warhafts respective pages since we do still have a double Talin situation on our hands. Dcking20 (talk) 23:18, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Good points. Good counterproposal. Good lad. Highly endorsed 👍 Username-72 (talk) 23:35, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

(←) Totally against this proposed deletion. If nothing else, this page can serve as a disambig. —⁠Legoless (talk) 20:53, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes, agreed. Lore:Talin is necessary, and the page has already been spruced. Username-72 (talk) 22:24, 27 October 2021 (UTC)